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Can you conquer/hold and trigger conquer/hold effects on Forgotten Monument during the first turns when it says 'Players can't score here', or does it prevent conquering/holding entirely?
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Ruling: Players cannot conquer or hold Forgotten Monument during the turns when "Players can't score here" is active. This prevents both gaining points AND triggering conquer/hold effects.
Sequence:
- Players can still move units to Forgotten Monument and gain control of it
- However, gaining control does not result in a conquer because scoring is prevented
- Since conquering and holding are forms of scoring, they cannot occur when scoring is prevented
- Therefore, no conquer/hold effects trigger during this period
Nuances:
- This differs from effects like Tianna Crownguard which say "can't score points" - those prevent gaining points but still allow conquer/hold effects to trigger per rule 376.4.b.2.c/376.4.c.2.c
- The distinction is: "can't score" prevents the entire scoring action (conquering/holding), while "can't score points" only prevents the point gain portion
- Players can still gain control of the battlefield without conquering it (control and conquer are not the same thing)
- Effects that score points through other mechanisms (like Yasuo Windrider's third move or purple Draven's death trigger) would still work since they don't score the battlefield itself
- After the restriction period ends (turn 3+), normal scoring rules apply
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